Template talk:Infobox television

Studio section in infobox

Per this talk page discussion, should there be a separate field that lists a studio producing a series live-action or animated? They have nothing to do with production companies, and besides, some shows have logos of companies that are not production companies at all. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 05:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between a studio producing a series and a production company? - adamstom97 (talk) 06:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

The studio is responsible for the production of quality of a product, while the production company responsible for supervising the production process. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you understand that an animation studio is not a production company. There is a past discussion about not including animation studios in the infobox. Please see Template talk:Infobox television/Archive 14#Parameter clarification. — YoungForever^(talk) 07:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

I know that an animation studio is a studio in all, not a production company. Plus, even in the live-action field the pipelines of a studio and a production company are different. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

That should only apply to shows that were subcontracted, not the ones that were actually co-productions. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 03:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Besides, it's not fair to assume that every animated show like Arthur, the Beetlejuice cartoon, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic were subcontracted like The Simpsons and King of the Hill instead of co-production without solid evidence. Because of this unfair new guideline, I can't even watch these shows anymore and I don't mean watching the articles on them. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Should the only exception be 20th Television Animation? they are not a subcontractor animation studio. Jediknight15 (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

There is no exception. A company is or is not the studio producing the show. If it is, add it. If it isn't, do not. Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

they technically do count on the same grounds as Searchlight Pictures. Jediknight15 (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Starring actors

How to determine starring actors? Is it by opening and ending credits or by billing poster or by official website or by reliable sources? What if there's differences between those? This for Korean dramas by the way. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

US shows have onscreen credits in the opening. If Korean dramas have the same, use that. Gonnym (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I'm talking about the onscreen credits. Thank you Gonnym. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 15:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gonnym, a follow up question, so is onscreen credits has more WP:WEIGHT than others? I'm asking this as another user have different point of view of how starring cast list should be in Queen of Tears. See my talk page. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 10:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the country, I guess. In the US market, the on screen credits for television productions is what we go by. If Korea does it differently then follow that. However, I would say that I find it strange that they would have a different order on screen and on a poster. Is there a specific example for this? Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Queen of Tears is an example for it, onscreen credits shows the ensemble cast while the poster shows the names of two main actors only. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 11:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

And are the first two names from the on screen credits, the same two names from the poster? Gonnym (talk) 12:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that's right. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 13:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

So there really isn't an issue here. The poster for lack of space lists the 2 top billed cast, the TV episode itself lists the entire cast. They are all starring. Gonnym (talk) 13:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Windborne Rider. I apologize for not noticing this discussion earlier. Starring actors are usually determined by billing poster for Korean dramas, which is why I made the edit. Wheezythewave (talk) 06:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

That's alright but as far as I know is that billing poster are mostly use in films rather than in dramas. And that is why I brought up this discussion because of the different approach when there's already a pre-existing guidelines. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 07:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I see. I believe it was already discussed back in April that generally only the main cast in the infobox is listed for korean dramas. If you check the other pages as well. Wheezythewave (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Dialogues and Lyrics credits

At Category:Temp infobox television tracking category usages of "Dialogues" and "Lyrics" are tracked. As you can see, there are over 400 pages that use this credit. From checking a few, this seems to be an Indian-unique credit. We should either support and add these two credits, or remove their usages. But there is no point in ignoring this and having this incorrect usage style continue. Gonnym (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Please Add "Production Designer" to Crew Section

Hi there! I was trying to edit the template to add production designer names to some film and tv shows with exceptional production design, only to find out it's not an editable attribute.

As an art department professional with 20 years experience working in film and television, and member of the Art Directors Guild (Local 800) representing Production Designers and Art Directors internationally, I want to request that Production Designer be added to the info box below Cinematographer. In Film and TV production, the Production Designer is hired at the beginning of the project and is part of the "Holy Trinity" of the project. This is the Director, Cinematographer and Production Designer. The PD often scouts to find the locations of sets or creates concept drawings and renderings before the Director and Cinematographer are even on the ground. Ultimately, the three of them will collaborate on the look of the film.

Not having the Production Designers listed at the top next to films like Wicked, Back to the Future, Star Wars, Batman (1989), Astroid City, Blade Runner, etc, seems egregious since they are largely responsible for creating the iconic worlds that are often as memorable as the characters themselves. Also, many of these designers have their own Wikipedia page, including Nathan Crowley, Rick Carter, Robert Stromberg, to name a few.

Please consider adding a space for the Production Designer so they can be properly credited for the massive contribution they add to the final film.

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ReactionFilms (talk) 03:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

"T:ITV" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect T:ITV has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 13 § T:ITV until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Narrator

I recently adjusted ButlerBlogBot Task 2 to change |narrated= to |narrator= in its cleanup routine. This is based on what is listed in the documentation as the correct param. However, after spotchecking edits after the most recent update, I'm not sure this is correct. For example, comparing this edit to the previous state shows that the narrator parameter showed in the infobox when it was |narrated= and after the change to |narrator= it is no longer displayed. Was there a change that didn't get recorded in the documentation? ButlerBlog (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Your edit was lacking the | symbol before the parameter name. Gonnym (talk) 16:26, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Doh!! Thanks, @Gonnym. I get that corrected. (can't believe I totally missed that) ButlerBlog (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Dates: what presently defines "nonstandard"

In working through Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard dates, do instances of references (a <ref> tag) following the date in |first_aired=/|last_aired= result in adding it to the maintenance category? Here's an example of my question: Adventure Time (1958 TV series) - dates appear to be formatted correctly, there is only one network and one set of dates. Is it the <ref> tag that puts it in the maintenance category?

For comparison, Georgetown University Forum has general text, so I can see why that would probably be what adds it to the maintenance cat. So is it currently looking for any text other than {{Start date}}/{{End date}}, and if so, is it possible to exclude those with ref tags (I'm guessing not). Or am I off-base in what I'm seeing? ButlerBlog (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Having no idea how the maintenance category worked before seeing this post, and having looked over the category and module code, I would say you're correct. At Module:Infobox television, there is a function called "does_date_have_extraneous_text" that checks "If we found a valid date format within the text, but it's not the entire text, then there's extraneous text before or after". This would indicate that the ref is causing this category to be added, which I disagree with. It could be removed, or better, a check added to see if that extraneous text is a reference; if anyone gets around to it before me, my personal regex for references is <ref[^>]*>([^>]+<\/ref>)?. -- Alex_21 _TALK 20:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Having gone back to Category:Pages using infobox television with nonstandard dates as well, this would fall into the last row of the table, which is the "Use any text before or after the date template, including additional dates"; the recommendation for this is "Move references to the body (or worse case, the lead) of the article". I disagree with this; references should be allowed. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:00, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Per MOS:INFOBOXREF, references shouldn't generally be added to the infobox (just as they shouldn't be in the lead), but in the body of the article. In most of the articles I've fixed over the years, the reference was only in the infobox. If you have any issue with the guideline, raise that issue to there and get it changed. This won't be a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Gonnym (talk) 21:22, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

That all definitely helps. With regards to moving the ref - or even checking if it is used elsewhere, that's beyond the capability for my bot, so I'll just adjust the task ignore ref tags and just clean up the other stuff for now. That won't result in clearing the backlog, but it will help me get my bot task back to a state where it can run without needing to be prodded. ButlerBlog (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that needs to be manually done. I try and do a few every day. We've worked through much higher numbers before. Gonnym (talk) 21:28, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Streaming

Would really like an option like when you do a Google search for a movie it shows where it is available to watch if any. But only subscription as those the rent/sell have pretty much the same anyway. 193.183.8.10 (talk) 17:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

There are websites and apps that provide that service. Also, WP:NOTFORUM. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)