User talk:JMF

Suggestion

1. Gain some experience with Template:Calculator
2. Start with a simple one in your own sandbox, e.g. input a, calculate b=2*a
3. Look at current calculators for conversions between metric and imperial, e.g. at inch

Uwappa (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Uwappa: Why? But taking a guess (forgive me if I'm wrong):

1. Yes, I know that it calculates 80 / 178 = 0.449438202247191 but there is a huge difference between the result of a calculation and the judgement that must be made on what is displayed, taking the precision of the input into account. That judgement is critical and must be made.
2. no comment.
3. Yes, the conversion between inches and cm is well defined (international yard and pound agreement) BUT (and it is a very big but) people do not measure their waist and height in microns or thousandths of an inch. The input measures are crude so the output must be equally crude, that is the fundamental point of false precision. It is one of the most basic principles of doing science and engineering. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:50, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I can not read minds. The calculator can not read minds. The calculator does not know the goal people are after.

• Yes, people may use it for adjudicating the body roundness of real people. Excellent, that may save a few lives.
• But just as well, they may be just playing games, hackers trying to let it crash with silly input. E.g. is SQL_injection possible to hack a database?
• Wikipedian JMF could use it to support a "2 decimals suffice" point of view.
• In the usability test today, the paramedic had to input dimensions of this fake extremely obese "patient":

That did not go down well, it was too ridiculous, so I'll update the test. Ha ha ha, the usability test revealed an error in the usability test.

• People may use it to verify the credibility of the calculator. What WHtR value does it show if a height = 2x waist?
• What if I enter data measurements from a picture? Will it be a factor pi off, because diameter != circumference?
• How does it deal with negative numbers, zeroes?
• How well can it cope with insane large numbers, like 1E88?
• I myself used it during development. I needed precision. Was 0.3999999999999999 classified correctly as below 0.4?
• I used it to map WHtR values to silhouette index numbers (1, 2, 3, ..., 20). With BRI values as a nasty intermediate as the current silhouettes are still BRI based.
• I used it to compare results of the old BRI formula (with rounded 2 pi hardcoded) against the new formula (using a pi with max decimals and just WHtR as input)

So I firmly disagree with the rounding. You do not know what people use it for.

• when you round, you can't go back to precision. What will you do with 0.399999? Display as 0.40 with an error message "Unspecified for WHtR below 0.4"???
• when you keep precision, you can leave the rounding to the human.

On point 2: How about a calculator that is art related? E.g. something for a Golden_ratio? Enter a number and the calculator will

• take it as a width and compute height
• and... take it as a height and compute width

On point 3: Any unit will do. People may may use a piece of string or cloth as a unit. E.g. a towel the size of the waist. And it will work just fine. Uwappa (talk) 00:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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The current situation in the UK was broadcast in the major mass media in Japan.

It is not directly related to Wikipedia, but it is the programme linked here. A programme produced by TV Asahi, ‘Akira Ikegami's News That's Right!!(池上彰のニュースそうだったのか!!) produced by TV Asahi, was broadcast in a section entitled ‘The current situation in the UK’. Please watch the programme and state your thoughts on the commentary in this programme. Please note that as this is a Japanese site, it may be caught by geo-blocking. If you are caught by geo-blocking, please use a VPN or other means to connect to a server in Japan before watching the programme.[1] LendingNext (talk) 15:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@LendingNext:, the page you linked says "配信中のエピソードがありません" [There are no episodes currently available]. Can you write a summary of what it says? because I can't think of any "current situation in the UK" that is in any way unusual or remarkable. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. This TVer, it's normally supposed to be available for a week after broadcast, but this show was only available for less than a day and a half. Understood. One of the things that was reported in this programme was about Prime Minister Starmer, who had changed governments four times in just three years, so it was discussed that people either couldn't remember his name or were confused. Other topics covered included the fact that leaving the EU would mean that no more overseas workers would come in, there would be a shortage of labour, and that people would change their exports to other EU countries because of the procedures involved when importing agricultural products from France and other countries. It was also mentioned that young people are going to game bars, where prices are cheaper, instead of going to pubs, which are more expensive. LendingNext (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@LendingNext: There seems to be a misunderstanding. The outgoing (Conservative Party) government has had four leaders (and thus three Prime Ministers) in as many years – one lasted just a few weeks; I guess that the news item is because they have just elected their fourth leader but the pundits don't expect that she will last long either. So I suspect that many people neither know nor care who leads them.

The new (Labour Party) government was elected just a few months ago. The party leader (and Prime Minister) Keir Starmer has led the party since 2020. There have been no significant changes in his cabinet.

Yes, Brexit has been an economic failure (as almost all respected economists predicted). One witty commentator remarked that "The United Kingdom is the only country in the world ever to have imposed economic sanctions on itself!". Over 50% of UK exports go to the European Economic Area (EU plus closely aligned EFTA); the fraction is much higher for physical goods (which is hardly surprising since it is right next door). It has caused all sorts of problems and no benefits.

As for the claim about young people in Britain, I give it as much credence as you would to a claim that all young Japanese men stay in their bedrooms all day playing computer games and all young Japanese women dress in agejo gyaru style. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! So these things are generally true, even though they were not directly related to Wikipedia, but I really appreciate it! LendingNext (talk) 12:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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Traffic lights?

Your idea of Template_talk:Body_roundness_index#Traffic_lights? has been implemented, al be it in a different way: Waist-to-height_ratio#Recommended_boundary_values now shows a 'traffic light' of red, amber, green.

I'm thinking about a 'black', dead, impossible, all lights out.

• For sure WHtR = 0, no waist at all, not even a spine, is dead, ashes to ashes. Or, looking at the brighter side of life: no fertilised egg yet.
• For sure WHtR < 0, either height or waist is below zero, is a concept unknown to living humans. This must be a test by
  1. an alien that does know the concepts of negative height or waist.
  2. a non living human, someone dead with no more body, just a spirit,
  3. or a test by someone not born, not conceived yet. That is a unfertilised female egg cell, with sperm cells approaching,
  4. or a sperm cell who is racing to an egg cell,
  5. or a female egg cell, with no sperm cell in sight
  6. or a sperm cell, with no egg cell in sight (the implied go get F*****, may violate WP:NOMEDICAL and WP:HOWTO, ha, ha, ha)
  7. or, most likely, it is a mathematician or IT expert, testing the calculator with unrealistic negative values, so an little joke would be entertaining to those 'nerds', while the thought of entering negative values would not occur to normal people. They will never see the joke.
• WHtR below the 0.22 of Cathie_Jung.
• WHtR below emaciated. Can you find any sources on the WHtR values of emaciated? What is the lowest value in any WHtR/BRI research for living humans?
• WHtR above the roundest person that is currently alive, or even above the roundest person ever.

Uwappa (talk) 07:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wikipedia does not give medical advice.
• WP:SYNTH
• WP:NOR

So no because you cannot use it. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 08:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Does that include a waist of zero or below zero? Really? Uwappa (talk) 08:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

See Edge condition, Reductio ad absurdum and How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Please have another look at the sandbox version of the calculator.

Yes, still work in progress, usability testing has produced shocking results, a lot of time consuming work.

Long story short: Your idea of traffic light is now in the sandbox in a massive way at health risks.

Could you yourself do another regression test?

How much time do you need to find the answer to the question:

How much do you need to gain/loose waist size to be healthy? Uwappa (talk) 06:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Calculator for golden ratio?

How about a calculator for Golden ratio? Type one number and the calculator

• will take it as an a, compute b and c
• will take it as a b, compute a and c
• will take it as a c, compute a and b

Uwappa (talk) 08:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Part of me says "great idea, go for it!". Another part is a bit reluctant because there is a mini-industry of pseudo-science around it, but I suppose that will always happen anyway.

Before you invest the time, it would be sensible to declare the intent at talk:Golden ratio as there is a possibility of consensus to exclude. (Make sure to italicise your abc for legibility).

As a, b and c are pure numbers, not measurements, the question of false precision doesn't arise. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It will be simple to create, a few minutes for me, 1 input field, 3 result rows.

So I suggest I just create a template, you have a look and take it from there, trash it or implement it in the article. Uwappa (talk) 18:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Finally found a few spare minutes... How about:

Golden ratio calculator

a	1.6180339887498576
b	1
a + b	2.6180339887498576
a/b = (a+b)/a	1.6180339887498576

Uwappa (talk) 09:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Should a+b be an entry field too? Enter a+b and have a and b computed? Uwappa (talk) 09:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

• First impression: drop the (1+√5)/2 as will be in body text.
• Simplify the next section to (a+b)/a = a/b
• definitely lose the 1.6180339887498576 as will be in body text.

Make the function of the calculator more obvious, remembering where it is going to go (an article that fully explains all the maths), so how about

Enter any of the lengths a, b or a+b: this calculator will determine their golden ratio and return the value of the other two.

Howzzzaaaatttt! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

As a an easy learning step, would you like to take out the duplicate-with-text bits yourself? It is just like taking out normal text, just remove things with the wikisource editor.

I'll look into the input field for a+b tomorrow, as this may tricky:

• a impacts a+b
• b impacts a+b
• a+b impacts a and b

(this is similar to height impacts WHtR, waist impacts WHtR and WHtR impacts waist)

If you feel up to the challenge, just go for it yourself in a second update and just revert if it does not work out. A talk page is a safe environment to try things. Uwappa (talk) 17:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, the end of the 2024 was a bit more busy than expected. Done now, the circle is complete:

• Input a and the calculator will compute b and (a+b)
• Input b and the calculator will (a+b) and a
• Input a+b and the calculator will compute a and b

Please remove the bits you don't want.

• And just revert if you were a bit too enthusiastic removing bits.
• And when you like the result, copy it to the article.

Uwappa (talk) 13:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll have a look this evening (UTC+00:00 ) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

afterthought: Move the phi row to the bottom.

That will make more sense, going from input to "output". Ha ha ha, that a/b is not really output, but the constant phi, don't tell anybody... Uwappa (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Done: moved phi to bottom row, removed phi, removed formula. Does that look OK for you? Uwappa (talk) 17:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Uwappa: Yes, just needs a legend that invites input of any one of a, b or a+b. But remove the current caption, as it just replicates body content.

Obviously the CSS will need to disengaged from the BRI sandbox before you can upload it.

It would be wise [for you!] to upload it to talk:Golden Mean first, to see if there are other opinions. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

OK, would you like to do those final adjustments yourself?

I'll have time from 4th January onwards.

I'd say WP:BOLD and just publish it. People don't know what they want till they see what they get. Uwappa (talk) 11:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I can't do the CSS change.

Because that article has a history of lunatic fringe activity, it is not a place to be bold. What difference would an extra few days make?

It is your creation, it is you who should post it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

O, CSS is too nerdy?

The WP CSS page is not much help but there are plenty of CSS tutorials on the web.

I'm not too much of a CSS expert myself, am very happy with the support of real experts like user:Cmglee and user:Bawolff

And... AI comes to the rescue.

I've used Opera Aria (part of the Opera browser, see https://www.opera.com/features/aria

For the golden ratio the CSS will be minimal, just colours for the prompt.

Suggestion: forget CSS, keep it simple and code colours in the wikitext.

I suggest a 'gold' colour which suits the 'golden ratio'.

Opear Aria suggests:

"

For a golden background, a popular HTML color code you can use is #FFD700. This vibrant shade of gold can really make your design pop!

When it comes to font colors that pair well with a golden background, contrast is key. Here are some excellent options:

Black (#000000) - A classic choice that provides strong contrast.

Dark Blue (#003366) - Adds a touch of elegance and sophistication.

Dark Green (#004d00) - Offers a natural, earthy feel.

Deep Red (#8B0000) - Creates a bold and striking look.

Purple (#4B0082) - Adds a regal touch to your design.

Summary:

Golden Background Color: #FFD700

Recommended Font Colors:

Black: #000000

Dark Blue: #003366

Dark Green: #004d00

Deep Red: #8B0000

Purple: #4B0082

Feel free to mix and match to see what resonates best with your design!

"

So, that yields (see source for wikitext):

• black on gold
• DarkBlue on gold
• DarkGreen on gold
• DarkRed on gold
• Purple on gold

My pick: purple on gold, have updated the calculator above and removed the CSS call. Uwappa (talk) 03:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, agree, no reason to rush.

No worries, I'll post it and face the music. That will be less work for me than endless debates.

About the caption: I'd say: Don't add any instruction. The text around it in the article will explain the a, b and a+b. The input fields will be inviting enough for people to go play around. Later I'll look in the article and reuse calculator values, just like in WhtR and BRI articles. That way the text and calculator work seamlessly together.

I really like the simple result. It is now tempting to try and 'crack' the golden ratio. Uwappa (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, but is there a need for a golden ratio calculator? I can't see what there is to calculate. Additionally, most people can't recognise a decimal number as fractions of √5. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 05:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

I am sure there is a need!

E.g. an artist that has a canvas with a given size (a+b), will enter a+b and will use a and b. Uwappa (talk) 06:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Changed table background to silver, which seems appropriate.

I'll have a look where to insert this little calculator in the article. If I do not see any objections I'll just boldly go for it and face the music. Uwappa (talk) 08:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Had a look and Golden_ratio#Calculation seems the best place. The current text already has an example with b=1. That 1 can interactively copy the current calculator's value of b and take it from there for a and a+b.

That will be an Easter egg for most users, as they won't interact with the calculator, but the few ones that do will see how the text follows their input interactively. Any objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwappa (talk • contribs) 09:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

As I told you already, that article has such a history of daft bold edits that its watchers have become hypersensitive. I advise strongly that you put the proposal at the talk page first. That is far more likely to achieve success. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Oops, I thought we were on that talk page already. We are not, this is your talk page. Duh...

Excellent idea, I'll be happy to post the current result at that talk page with suggested new content for the calculation section, having "dynamic text" with examples that "magically" follow the calculator input, just like we did for WHtR and BRI.

Anything else you like to see changed before I do that?

Or is it now a green light, a thumbs up from you, go, go go? Uwappa (talk) 11:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't control the traffic lights. A consensus is formed by regular participants of the article concerned (articles, if the change is a template used in more than one article, so not immediately relevant in this case.) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes, yes, no worries, I know the WP drill and what a shock it will be for text oriented Wikipedians to step into the 21 century and see a computer compute... Wow, what the f*** is this? Is it AI? Can we maintain this? FOMO, Amygdala hijack and all of that...

But is it green light from you to post it now on that talk page? No worries, I'll do it.

Or is there anything else you like to have solved before I do? and face the music? Uwappa (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Comics making

I'm putting my answer off of the article talk pages, because they are intended for editing discussions. There is a book currently out in a limited form, How Comics Were Made, that I've not read yet but is getting very good response for delving into printing details. It's focused on comic strips, but much of it would apply to comic books as well. It's coming out in a more general edition, under a slightly different title, next year. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 13:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@NatGertler: Well in principle it could improve the article so is legitimate (i.e., not a wp:NOTFORUM vio). But thank you either way, I'll have a look. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

New message to JMF

Thank you for being such an active jaguar on my talk! I need to work on making sure new editors are less unsure of the reasons for reversions and such, especially given how scatterbrained I can be with replying to stuff out of order. You helping out has been much appreciated. Remsense ‥ 论 23:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

My (guilty) pleasure. Main thing is to use the edit summary and (for new editors) take the sting out by starting their talk page with a {{welcoming}} and a brief explanation for the revert with a reference to WP:BRD to say that reversions are normal, it is what makes Wikipedia work. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense: Might I suggest you consider using the phrase "better before" as an edit summary, as it is less likely to provoke a knee-jerk response than a judgemental statement like "not at all useful", "unconstructive" and the like? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

thats my bad

hit the wrong button, sorry. U in the right big dawg

L.E. Rainer 21:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Luke Elaine Burke: For future reference I advise that you immediately revert your error first and apologise second. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:14, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

sounds good. Thanks! L.E. Rainer 21:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Might you have the full citation data for your contribution to Asterism?

I write because I tried to address a missing title error for this reference, to no avail:

McAuley, James Phillip (1964). Quadrant. 8. H.R. Krygier: 33. {{cite journal}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

You appear to be the editor who added it! I know it's been nearly five years, but I hope my attempt at researching it will help. As far as I can tell, James McAuley was credited with two contributions to Quadrant in 1964/Volume 8:

1. McAuley, James (June 1, 1964). "The languages of poetry". Quadrant. 8 (2): 19–26 – via Informit.

2. McAuley, James (August 1, 1964). "Summer's close". Quadrant. 8 (3): 60 – via Informit.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any way to view the sources directly, to confirm that either is a good match, and I also find it disheartening that neither matches the page you specified. I'm not familiar with the database I was relying on, so perhaps it's incomplete?

I know this is essentially a demand of your time, and it's likely a stretch to recall besides. I might have an alternate source for the statement you added, but I love this article and I want to preserve your contribution if possible!

spida-tarbell 𐡸 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Gosh, it's dusty in here... brushes cobwebs out of face ... lifts a croquet set out of the way...

Yes, I remember researching Dinkus at the time (subsequently split out to its own article, where the same error appears). My source was https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OBsiAQAAIAAJ&q=dinkus&dq=dinkus but I never had the original journal. And it looks like Google no longer gives the source information (which I guess came from a bookseller who had a copy for sale?), so you are in even a worse position than I was. And someone up there really likes to tease you, as it would be the fourth article:

Contents
Patrick Whites Plays.......... 7
The Grey Men of Business......13
Five Years of Castro's Cuba....28
8 other sections not shown

I've just tried to google "I became a member of the dinkus department" but nothing found. Sorry, best I can do. Best of luck in your hunt. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

How do I find sources when most links are either very informal or unreliable

I noticed that you recently reverted my edit on Skull and crossbones in the "Use in social media" section, I was going to add sources but I can't seem to find any reliable ones. They are either very informal (Reddit, Facebook, etc) or unreliable sources (Android Authority, Shutterstock, etc). The only reliable and formal source I could find is dictionary.com but something in my head says its unreliable. Please help! ミラへぜ (talk) (ping me!) 00:23, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@ミラへぜ: For the list of seriously bad sources, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. For the sources with dubious reliability, see User:Headbomb/unreliable (I recommend you install the tool provided there, it will alert you as you go rather than having to check after the event.). As far as I can see, Dictionary.com is acceptable. As you surmised, the others are out per WP:SPS or WP:UGC or both. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 00:32, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

5.43.67.103

5.43.67.103 (talk · contribs) has ignored the final warning you gave them. AntiDionysius (talk) 14:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I have just now requested admin intervention. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

You know, I for some reason thought you were an admin. Unsure where I got that notion from. AntiDionysius (talk) 14:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

No, just an old lag! 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		For always edit patrolling and making amazing contributions to your home city, Milton Keynes. 90.218.120.231 (talk) 18:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

Wikiy programming makes it easy because I get notified of any changes to the many artickles that interest me. So I don't really do any patrolling. Why not create an account yourself and you will get the same facilities (and other easy ways to improve the encyclopedia). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I have one. It's 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺. I have two houses and to be quite honest with you, I don't want to have to get my parents to drive to my other house to accept the thingy that accepts logging in from a different location. (I think they have that here). Sooo yeah. 90.218.120.231 (talk) 21:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

But you know, I could be wrong and I could be able to log in from a different location 90.218.120.231 (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You can certainly log in to Wikipedia from anywhere in the world (subject to local censorship laws!). And from any device – phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, kiosk, whatever. Over WiFi, mobile or wired, doesn't matter.

I have done all of the above (well, some of the world and never in a kiosk) and never had to ask anyone to go home to "accept a thingy" for me. Do you mean a HTTP cookie ("internet cookie")? That's a one time thing that goes with whatever device you happen to use, wherever you are. Take the device, it goes with you. Use a different device, you get another one. Not a problem. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:29, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You really need to resolve the difficulty because you can get blocked if you use two different identities to edit the same articles or talk pages. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 09:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Done! Thank you so much! 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 09:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it's an appropriate time to do this! 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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		For helping an IP/user with their knowledge 千乇丨丂ㄒㄚ尺ㄖㄖ丂ㄒ乇尺 (talk) 09:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping

I see that you are changing the UA to MKCC, like I did. Thanks for that. Also thank you for the revision on Buckinghamshire. FeistyRooster (talk) 22:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There are a lot to do, so thought I should help as it'll take a few days. Well spotted, don't know how we've missed it for so long.

I think you might look at the Bucks article again, to drop the "area" and just name the UAs. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have FeistyRooster (talk) 23:58, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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I don't understand what you are trying to do with the images. The link to IMAGESZ is dead. But you have not just changed image sizes, but you have changed their positions so they no longer correspond to the relevant text. I am reverting your changes, but happy to discuss how this should best be organised Kognos (talk) 21:07, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

@Kognos: Whoops,I should have written MOS:IMAGESZ (it's a Manual of Style thing). It says explicitly that we should not give the image size in pixels.

Alignment with text is practically impossible as well as pointless, because we have no idea what size screen the visitor is using. The layout will display on a wide desktop v a laptop v an even smaller tablet. See also MOS:IMAGELOC re other issues, such as 'goal-posts'. In general the best we can do is place the images in the appropriate section and let them cascade. On mobile, they don't even go alongside the text. If you have a big screen, check the effect on varying size of window to see what I mean.

WP:GALLERY is also relevant. The article does need its galleries, but they should be unobtrusive.

Can you revisit your reversions and see which you feel are really essential, please? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the revised link. I do look at the article on my phone as well as on my computer, and it generally looks OK, but I'll certainly check this out - will be mañana... Kognos (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I take your point about fixed pixel widths, and will certainly use upright=scaling factor in future. As regards location, It does seem good to have the images as close to the relevant text as possible. As I said, I do check how the page appears on my phone as well as PC screen, and although the images don't go alongside the text, they are stil closer to the text they refer to than if they are all at the top of the section. The page now looks good to me on both large and small screens. Kognos (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Brackley

Although I agree with you about WP:NOTAGUIDE my intent is simply to update outdated citations whose domain has been usurped, I try not to change the content of the article at all leaving that to editors who have interest and knowledge of the subject. In this case the citation is valid and proves that at the time of it being added the town had these facilities, furthermore a little googling shows these clubs still exist. I will restore my edit so that any editor who wishes can update the information and links Lyndaship (talk) 14:59, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

History of the metre

Hello, thank you for providing a link to the article Carlos Ibáñez e Ibáñez de Ibero in your edit in the article Prime meridian (Greenwich). I would like to inform you of a problem in the article Metre. Two messages have been placed at the beginning of the section History of the Metre. In my opinion the issues have been resolved, but I have a conflict of interest and therefore I can't remove the messages. Would agree to review this section in order to decide if you would find apropriate to remove the messages ? Charles Inigo (talk) 07:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Charles Inigo:, I've had a quick look at the Metre article and, regretfully, I don't see how I can remove the caution messages. My reason is simple: the section is grotesquely overlength. It really should be no longer than the lead of History of the metre – indeed if it simply copied that lead (using {{excerpt}}, it would be fine. Yes, readers who just want modern information about the measure (and perhaps explore the whole SI system) should be informed in summary about how it came about. Right now, the history section is so large as to make the whole article tl;dr. That is intolerable. Whoever put those tags on showed remarkable forbearance: I might have deleted the section outright in favour of the excerpt.

I suspect that this is not the answer you wanted to hear and maybe I might have wrapped it in cotton-wool but I feel it is most helpful to tell the unadorned truth. There is really no point in tinkering at the edges of the current text: it needs to be reduced by about 90%. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. Do you think this section could replace the article History of the metre ? In my opinion the subsections are more appropriate than those of the article History of the metre. Charles Inigo (talk) 11:24, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

That really needs a proposal at talk:History of the metre (with a courtesy notification at talk:Metre and talk:International System of Units. I don't watch those articles so my opinion is not really helpful. But in principle the idea has merit. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

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Futura in "usage" section

After fewer vandalistic edits (1, 2, 3 and 4) reverted as unsourced material, should we removed some trivial sections (which is unsourced) from Futura (typeface), unless if is sourced. 124.217.87.71 (talk) 13:58, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

What about for Gill Sans in "usage" section that fails WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS? 124.217.87.71 (talk) 15:17, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree in both cases but the question needs to be put at talk:Futura (typeface) and talk:Gill Sans , not here. Maybe even generically at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Typography. Most of the entries that are cited have "citations" that are not valid, they are OR (editor observes a typeface to be in use and decides what it is) or WP:PRIMARY (source self-declares). Please raise it at one or all of those talk pages. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:46, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Brick

Do you ever feel like you're just talking to a brick wall? Perhaps it's just me. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

There is even a WP for that: WP:IDHT (and maybe WP:ILIKEIT). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:55, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

What's next, I wonder. A video of his children, calling Order the cat, on the University of Essex's Official Facebook page? It's a little exhausting. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Cheer up, it could be the Taylor Swift page. [deliberately not wlinking!] 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:08, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

It looks like there have been 32 Alternative Christmas messages on Channel 4, since it started in 1993. I'm not sure how many of those are still available via Channel 4, or YouTube, or Facebook, or Twitter... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

and in any of them will the contributor have made an exclusive substantive statement that will make it the best (or only!!) citeable source. I'm thinking of a number that requires no fingers to count. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Luckily Stephen Fry already had a RS review source. But the others...? have not dared to look yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Misunderstood...

Dear senior editor, may ask you to exercise some assumption of good faith?

"...and you have been an editor for long enough to know about WP:NOTORUM, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:RGW and WP:ADVOCACY "

I included enough evidence for the topic you deleted to warrant some negotiation about the severity of this summary judgement: WP:NOTORUM, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:RGW and WP:ADVOCACY

~~~~ Janosabel (talk) 23:05, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Replied at the WikiProject talk page. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:23, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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